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[From Bill Burgess'
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Was Cobb
the greatest all-around baseball player who ever lived?
PART
I
TY COBB'S POWER CASE
By Bill Burgess III
| When Cobb retired following the '28 season, he held the ML records for: |
| G, AB, BA, Hits, Runs, RBIs, TB, SB, steals of Home, EBHs, singles, runs produced. |
| He was second in: doubles, triples, extra bases on hits. A collection truly Cobbian. |
| Overall, Ty set more records than the Babe, or anyone else, 90. His records lasted the longest. 30 still stand. |
| Using traditional stats, Ty led his league more often than anyone else, I think around 60. |
| Today 75 yrs later, he is STILL: |
| 1st: BA, Relative BA, Runs Produced |
| 2nd: hits, runs, triples, OF assists, OF DPs, |
| 3rd: Relative OBA for this century |
| 4th: SB, G, AB, doubles, triples, OF putouts |
| 8th: OBA unadjusted, extra bases |
| But there's more. Mr. Cobb hung up these impressive achievemets. |
| HRs - top 3 in the league - 5 times, won 1 |
| RBIs - top 3 in the league - 7 times, won 4 |
| TBs - top 3 in the league - 10 times, won 6 |
| SLG. - top 3 in the league - 14 times, won 8 |
| Looked at from another angle, Mr. Cobb led his league in the following years, in the following categories. |
| 1907---BA, SLG, TB, RBI, H, OPS, OPS+, BR+, |
| 1908---BA, SLG, TB, RBI, H, D, T, OPS, OPS+, BR+, |
| 1909---BA, OBP, SLG, TB, RBI, R, H, HR, OPS, OPS+, BR+, SB, |
| 1910---BA, OBP, SLG, R, OPS, OPS+, |
| 1911---BA, SLG, R, H, D, T, RBI, SB, OPS, TB, OPS+, EBH, |
| 1912---BA, SLG, H, OPS, OPS+, BR+, SB, |
| 1915---BA, OBP, TB, R, H, OPS, OPS+, BR+, SB, SBR, |
| 1917---BA, OBP, H, D, T, SLG, SB, OPS, TB, EBH, OPS+, |
| 1918---BA, OBP, T, OPS, OPS+, BR+, |
| Power? Let's talk about it. From the 1893-1919 era, here is the Career HR list: |
| 1. Zack Wheat ------132 |
| 2. Gavvy Cravath---119 |
| 3. Jimmy Ryan------118 |
| 4. Tilly Walker------118 |
| 5. Ty Cobb--------117 |
| 6. Tris Speaker-----117 |
| 9. Ed Delahanty----101 |
| 9. Honus Wagner---101 |
| 11. Sam Crawford---97 |
| 12. Frank Baker-----96 |
| 14. Herman Long----91 |
| Ty Cobb / Willie Mays: Power |
| My most impressive stat is that Ty came in the top 3 in SLG. ave. 14 times! He won 8. |
| That is a record that I don't think Willie can compete with. Willie's power case cannot withstand that level of firepower! |
| Willie came in the top 3 in SLG. 8 times, and won 5. |
| Willie's peers tougher in power? Oh really. |
| Ty's peers: Ruth, Lajoie, Joe Jackson, Crawford, Speaker, Frank Baker, Sisler, Harry Heilmann, |
| Bobby Veach, Bob Meusel, Ken Williams, Bob Fothergill, Leon "Goose" Goslin, Tillie Walker. |
| Willie's peers: Aaron, Clemente, Musial, Frank Robinson, Banks, Snider, Ralph Kiner, |
| Big Klu, Eddie Mathews, Orlando Cepeda, Willie McCovey, J. Robinson, Campanella. |
| Willie's Home Run Record |
| Year-HRs-placed |
| 1954-41-3rd |
| 1955-51-1st |
| 1956-36-5th |
| 1957-35-4th |
| 1958-29-6th |
| 1959-34-5th |
| 1960-29-6th |
| 1961-40-2nd |
| 1962-49-1st |
| 1963-38-3rd |
| 1964-47-1st |
| 1965-52-1st |
| 1966-37-3rd |
| 1968-23-9th |
| Ty's Home Run Record: |
| Year-HRs-placed |
| 1907-5-2nd |
| 1908-4-6th |
| 1909-9-1st |
| 1910-8-2nd |
| 1911-8-2nd |
| 1912-7-3rd |
| 1913-4-8th |
| 1916-5-5th |
| 1917-6-4th |
| 1918-3-7th |
| 1921-12-9th |
| Willie 14 times came in the top 10 in HRs. Ty did that 11 times. Obviously, Ty hurt himself in the 20's, |
| when he chose not to go for HRs, when others did. Still, Willie came in his top 3, 8 times, |
| Ty 6 times, when he was not even trying for homers. |
| Inside the park homeruns |
| Twenty Career Inside the Park Home Runs |
| 1 Sam Crawford 51 |
| 2 Tommy Leach 49 |
| 3 Ty Cobb 46 |
| 4 Honus Wagner 41 |
| 5 Tris Speaker 37 |
| 6 Jake Daubert 33 |
| 7 Chief Wilson 31 |
| 8 Rogers Hornsby 30 |
| Willie Keeler 30 |
| Edd Roush 30 |
| 11 Max Carey 28 |
| Ed Konetchy 28 |
| 13 Jesse Burkett 27 |
| 14 Zack Wheat 25 |
| 15 Hal Chase 24 |
| 16 Fred Clarke 23 |
| Earle Combs 23 |
| 18 Rabbit Maranville 22 |
| 19 Ginger Beaumont 21 |
| Sherry Magee 21 |
| Sam Rice 21 |
| Cy Seymour 21 |
| 23 George Sisler 20 |