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Chapter 14

 

The Best Players at Each Position

 

 Infielders and Catchers

 

 

The First Basemen with HOF Numbers

 

There are fourteen first basemen who played in the 20th century who have HOF numbers according to the NEWS monitor.  Here they are. 

 

All numbers include the 2006 season. 

Bold print = Hall of Famer

Italic = active player in 2006

CWS = Career Win Shares

CV = Core Value (sum of win shares for 10 best seasons)

NEWS = Career Value  =  CV  +  .25(CWS - CV)

 

                                                                                    CWS               CV                NEWS

 

 1.        Lou Gehrig                 (1923-1939)                489                  384                  410

 2.        Jimmie Foxx               (1925-1945)                435                  325                  353

 3.        Frank Thomas           (1990-       )                 383                  301                  322     

 4.        Willie McCovey         (1959-1980)                408                  285                  316

 5.        Dick Allen                    (1963-1977)                342                  304                  314

 6.        Eddie Murray (1977-1997)                437                  273                  314

 7.        Jeff Bagwell                  (1991-2005)                388                  287                  312     

 8.        Johnny Mize               (1936-1953)                339                  296                  307

 9.        Harmon Killebrew      (1954-1975)                374                  279                  303

10.       Mark McGwire            (1986-2001)                342                  283                  298

11.       Rafael Palmeiro            (1986-2005)                387                  257                  290

12.       Will Clark                     (1986-2000)                331                  269                  285

 

18.       Hank Greenberg        (1930-1947)                267                  262                  263     

20.       Bill Terry                    (1923-1936                  278                  255                  261     

 

As you can see, twelve of the fourteen first basemen with HOF numbers have a NEWS score of 280 or better while two others (Hank Greenberg and Bill Terry) have SAG numbers (a NEWS score of 255 with less than 1800 games played). 

 

Eight of these players are already in the Hall – with Lou Gehrig and Jimmie Foxx emerging with the best numbers.  And Frank Thomas has established himself as the best first baseman of the second half of the century.  I think that Frank Thomas and Jeff Bagwell will have no great trouble being elected when eligible.   Dick Allen, of course, is a different story.  He was on the ballot of the Veteran’s Committee for 2007.  Despite having the best numbers, he got only 13.4% of the vote – so it does not look like he is ever going to make it.  He will continue to be the position player with the best numbers who has been eligible and who is not in the Hall.

 

Mark McGwire and Rafael Palmeiro have both been stained by the “steroids scandal.”  Big Mac was on the BBWAA ballot for the first time in 2007 and got only 23.5% of the vote.  Will he ever make it?  Who knows.  And Palmeiro has no chance unless McGwire is voted in first.  Will Clark has been terribly underrated.  He appeared on the 2006 BBWAA ballot for the first time and got less than 5% of the vote so he will not appear again.

 

Of these fourteen first basemen, only five played during the first half of the century while nine played after 1950.

 

 

The Other First Basemen in the Top 25

 

Here are the eleven other first basemen who round out the top 25 at the position.

 

                                                                        CWS               CV                NEWS

 

13.       Jim Thome                                          304                  265                  275

14.       Jason Giambi                                      283                  271                  274

15.       Tony Perez                                         349                  249                  274

16.       Orlando Cepeda                                 310                  251                  266     

17.       Keith Hernandez                                   311                  248                  264

19.       Fred McGriff                                      326                  240                  262

21.       Norm Cash                                          315                  241                  260

22.       John Olerud                                        301                  239                  255

23.       Carlos Delgado                                   262                  248                  252

24.       George Sisler                                     292                  239                  252     

25.       Don Mattingly                                       263                  241                  247

 

And here are two first basemen who are in the Hall of Fame but did not make the top 25.

 

Jim Bottomley                                                258                  214                  225

Frank Chance                                     237                  206                  214

 

Note that there are a total of five first basemen who are in the Hall but do not have HOF numbers according to the NEWS monitor.

 

Jim Thome, Jason Giambi and Carlos Delgado were still active in 2006.  It looks as if Thome and Giambi will indeed reach the 280 NEWS benchmark.  So, Thome should have a good shot at the Hall.  But Giambi has “steroid suspicions” which might hurt his chances.  Delgado appears to be a long shot to reach the 280 mark.

 

Besides Mark McGwire (mentioned above), there were three other first basemen on the 2007 BBWAA ballot: Steve Garvey, Don Mattingly and Wally Joyner.  Only Mattingly is among the top 25 above.  Garvey got 21% of the vote, Mattingly got 10% and Joyner got 0 votes – so none of the three appears to have a chance at election.  Here are the numbers for Garvey and Joyner.

 

                                                            CWS               CV                NEWS

 

Steve Garvey                                        279                  215                  231

Wally Joyner                                        253                  203                  216     

 

Gil Hodges and Mickey Vernon were two first basemen who were on the 2007 Veteran’s Committee ballot for the Hall.  Neither is among our top 25 first basemen.  Hodges got 61% of the vote and may have a chance – if the VC ever elects anyone to the Hall.  Vernon got only 17% and appears to have no chance.  Here are their numbers.

 

Mickey Vernon                                    296                  223                  241     

Gil Hodges                                           263                  221                  232

 

 

The Second Basemen with Hall of Fame Numbers

 

According to the NEWS monitor, there are eleven 20th century second basemen who have Hall of Fame numbers.  Here they are.

 

                                                                                  CWS                 CV                NEWS

 

 1.        Eddie Collins              (1906-1930)                574                  376                  426

 2.        Rogers Hornsby         (1915-1937)                502                  381                  411

 3.        Joe Morgan                (1963-1984)                512                  341                  384

 4.        Nap Lajoie                  (1896-1916)                496                  334                  375

 5.        Craig Biggio                (1988-       )                 422                  294                  326     

 6.        Charlie Gehringer      (1924-1942)                383                  280                  306

 7.        Roberto Alomar           (1988-2004)                375                  278                  302

 8.        Ryne Sandberg          (1981-1997)                346                  278                  295

 9.        Rod Carew                 (1967-1985)                384                  257                  289

10.       Frankie Frisch            (1919-1937)                366                  256                  284

 

16.       Jackie Robinson        (1947-1956)                257                  257                  257     

 

Ten of these second basemen have a NEWS score of 280 or better while Jackie Robinson has SAG numbers – a score of 255 with less than 1800 games played.  Nine of the eleven are already in the Hall of Fame.  In my view, Roberto Alomar and Craig Biggio should be easy choices for the Hall when they become eligible.

 

Eddie Collins and Rogers Hornsby are easily the best second basemen to ever play the game.  Only thirteen position players in major league history have a NEWS score better than 400 and these two are among them.

 

Note that five of the top ten second basemen played during the first half of the century and five during the second half.

 

 

The Other Second Basemen among the Top 25

 

Here are the other players that I have found who are among the top 25 second basemen of the 20th century.  There is a tie among three players for 25th place so there are sixteen players on this list.

 

                                                                      CWS                 CV                NEWS

 

11.       Bobby Grich                                         329                  253                  272

12.       Jeff Kent                                             313                  252                  267

13.       Lou Whitaker                                       351                  232                  262

14.       Nellie Fox                                           304                  242                  258

15.       Billy Herman                                      298                  243                  257

17.       Larry Doyle                                          289                  240                  252

18.       Willie Randolph                                    312                  220                  243

19.       Bobby Doerr                                      281                  223                  238

20.       Johnny Evers                                     268                  226                  237

21.       Joe Gordon                                          242                  233                  235                 

 

22.       Tony Lazzeri                                       252                  215                  224

23.       Chuck Knoblauch                                 229                  219                  222

24.       Red Schoendienst                              262                  204                  219

25.       Jim Gilliam                                            247                  208                  218

Buddy Myer                                         258                  205                  218

Del Pratt                                               242                  210                  218

 

And here is the only second baseman in the Hall who did not make the list of the top 25.  Of course, there are those who consider Bill Mazeroski to be the best fielding second baseman of all time and deserving of the Hall for that reason alone.        

 

Bill Mazeroski                                   219                  173                  185

 

As you can see, there are seven second basemen in the Hall of Fame who do not have HOF numbers according to the NEWS monitor.

 

Bobby Grich (NEWS = 272) is the top second baseman who does not have HOF numbers.  This will come as no surprise to those fans who for years have argued that he belongs in the Hall of Fame.

 

Jeff Kent is the only active player on the list.  With a NEWS score of 271, he has a chance to reach the benchmark of 280 but he would need at least a couple of very good seasons to do it.

 

Joe Gordon was on the ballot for the 2007 Veteran’s Committee.  He received only 12% of the vote and so does not appear to have any chance of being elected in the future.

 

 

The Third Basemen with Hall of Fame Numbers

 

According to the NEWS HOF monitor, there are only seven third basemen who have HOF numbers.  This is the smallest number at any position except for catcher (where there are six).  Here are the seven.  

 

                                                                                    CWS               CV                 NEWS

 

 1.        Mike Schmidt (1972-1989)                467                  338                  370

 2.        Eddie Mathews          (1952-1968)                450                  333                  362

 3.        George Brett              (1973-1993)                432                  296                  330

 4.        Wade Boggs               (1982-1999)                394                  291                  317

 5.        Ron Santo                    (1960-1974)                324                  275                  287     

 6.        Frank Baker               (1908-1922)                301                  280                  285

 7.        Darrell Evans                (1969-1989)                363                  253                  281

 

Mike Schmidt and Eddie Mathews are the two best third basemen of the 20th century – with George Brett and Wade Boggs not too far behind.  I suspect that these four players being the top four third basemen will come as a surprise to very few fans.

 

Five of these seven players are in the Hall of Fame.  Ron Santo was the top vote-getter in the Veteran’s Committee 2007 election with 69.5%.  Hopefully, he will be elected sometime in the near future.  Darrell Evans is one of those truly underrated players.  Despite being one of only 82 players in the century with a NEWS score of 280, he got only 2% of the vote in his first year on the BBWAA HOF ballot in 1995.  He can now only be elected by the Veteran’s Committee when he becomes eligible.

   

Note that only one of these top seven third basemen played during the first half of the century, Frank Baker.

 

 

The Other Third Basemen in the Top 25

 

Here are the other eighteen players who ranked among the top 25 third basemen of the century.

 

 

 

                                                                        CWS               CV                 NEWS

 

 8.        Brooks Robinson                               356                  247                  274

 9.        Chipper Jones                                     301                  262                  272

10.       Stan Hack                                            316                  256                  271

11.       Sal Bando                                            283                  251                  259

12.       Jimmy Collins                         274                  242                  250     

13.       Heinie Groh                                          272                  243                  250

14.       Bob Elliott                                            287                  236                  249

15.       Graig Nettles                                        321                  224                  248

16.       Ken Boyer                                           279                  235                  246

17.       Pie Traynor                                        274                  228                  240

18.       Ron Cey                                               280                  222                  237

19.       Scott Rolen                                          235                  233                  234

20.       Buddy Bell                                           301                  210                  233

21.       Robin Ventura                                      272                  217                  231

22.       Ed Yost                                                267                  215                  228

23.       Larry  Gardner                                     258                  211                  223

24.       Ken Caminiti                                        242                  212                  220

25.       Tim Wallach                                         248                  202                  214

 

There are two third basemen in the Hall of Fame who did not make it into the top 25.

 

George Kell                                        229                  192                  201     

Fred Lindstrom                                  193                  182                  190

 

As you can see, there are five third basemen in the Hall who do not have HOF numbers according to the NEWS monitor.  Brooks Robinson is generally considered to be the best fielding third baseman of all time – so I assume that few fans would deny him his place in Cooperstown.

 

There are two active players on this list: Chipper Jones and Scott Rolen.  With a NEWS score already at 274, Jones appears to be a lock to post HOF numbers before he is through.  And through 2006, Scott Rolen had only played in eleven seasons.  Barring injuries, I think he will make it to the 280 benchmark.

 

Stan Hack is the third baseman that I hear most often pushed as deserving of the Hall of Fame.  I think of him as being in the same category as Bobby Grich and Keith Hernandez – three very fine ballplayers who just fell short of HOF numbers.

 

Ken Boyer was on the ballot for the 2007 Veteran’s Committee.  Hoe got only 11%        of the vote and does not appear to have any chance of election to the Hall.

 

 

 

 

The Shortstops with Hall of Fame Numbers

 

There are eleven shortstops who have Hall of Fame numbers according to the NEWS monitor. 

 

                                                                                    CWS               CV                NEWS

 

 1.        Honus Wagner           (1897-1917)                655                  422                  480

 2.        Alex Rodriguez            (1994-       )                 340                  317                  323

 3.        Arky Vaughan            (1932-1948)                356                  308                  320

 4.        Robin Yount               (1974-1993)                423                  278                  314

 5.        Cal Ripken Jr (1981-2001)                427                  276                  314

 6.        Luke Appling              (1930-1950)                378                  275                  301

 7.        George Davis             (1890-1909)                398                  255                  291

 8.        Joe Cronin                  (1926-1945)                333                  275                  290

 9.        Bill Dahlen                    (1891-1911)                394                  250                  286

10.       Barry Larkin                 (1986-2004)                347                  258                  280

 

14.       Lou Boudreau            (1938-1952)                277                  255                  261     

           

Ten of these players have a NEWS score of 280 or better while Lou Boudreau has SAG numbers (a score of 255 with less than 1800 games played). 

 

As the numbers indicate, Honus Wagner is in a league of his own as far as shortstops are concerned.  If Alex Rodriguez continues to play at the rate that he has so far in his career, there is a slight possibility that he might challenge Honus as the #1 shortstop of all time – although that is a real longshot.

 

Eight of these eleven shortstops are in the Hall of Fame.  And ARod is a given when he becomes eligible.  I also think that Barry Larkin will be elected by the writers within his first few years of eligibility.  Bill Dahlen has been overlooked for years.  He was not even on the ballot for the Veteran’s Committee in 2007 – can anyone explain that omission?  You will notice that he has 394 career win shares and every player with 400 is in the Hall of Fame.

 

It is interesting to note that seven of these eleven outstanding shortstops played the bulk of their careers before 1950.  Only ARod, Yount, Ripken and Larkin played during the second half of the century.

 

 

The Other Shortstops in the Top 25

 

Here are the other fourteen players who round out the top 25 shortstops in the 20th century.

 

 

 

                                                                        CWS               CV                NEWS

 

11.       Ernie Banks                                       332                  247                  268                 

12.       Derek Jeter                                         277                  258                  263

13.       PeeWee Reese                                  314                  246                  263

15.       Alan Trammell                          318                  238                  258

16.       Bobby Wallace                                   345                  227                  257

17.       Ozzie Smith                                         325                  226                  251     

18.       Vern Stephens                                      265                  239                  246

19.       Joe Sewell                                          277                  233                  244                 

20.       Jim Fregosi                                           261                  226                  235

21.       Dave Bancroft                                    269                  222                  234

22.       Tony Fernandez                                    280                  219                  234

23.       Rabbit Maranville                             302                  206                  230

24.       Bert Campaneris                                   280                  210                  228

25.       Maury Wills                                          253                  218                  227     

 

And here are four other shortstops who are in the Hall of Fame but who did not make it into the top 25.

 

            Joe Tinker                                          258                  211                  223

            Phil Rizzuto                                         231                  218                  221     

            Luis Aparicio                                      293                  193                  218

            Travis Jackson                                   211                  191                  196

 

You will note that there are eleven shortstops in the Hall of Fame who do not have HOF numbers according to NEWS monitor.  That is by far the most at any position.  But, once again, I have to point out that I am not saying that these players should not be in the Hall.  There may be other considerations (besides their playing numbers) that would qualify them for the honor.  Surely Ozzie Smith, considered by most observers as the best fielding shortstop of all time, deserves his spot in the Hall.

 

Derek Jeter is the only active player on this list.  With a NEWS score of 264 at the end of 2006, I would expect that he will easily pass the 280 benchmark before he is through and should be an easy choice for the Hall.  Miguel Tejada is not included at all because he had not completed ten “full” seasons through 2006.  But he is another active player with the potential to put up HOF numbers before he is through.

 

There were three shortstops on the 2007 BBWAA ballot for the Hall of Fame.  Dave Concepcion (see below), who did not make our top 25, got 13.6% of the vote.  Alan Trammell got 13.4%.  And Tony Fernandez got only four votes for less than 1% (he will not be on the ballot again).  It does not appear that any of the three has a real chance of election.

 

            Dave Concepcion                                 269                  205                  221

 

There were also three shortstops on the 2007 Veteran’s Committee ballot.  Maury Wills got 40.2% of the vote – a respectable showing.  But given the recent lack of selections by the VC, it does not look as if he will make it.  Cecil Travis and Marty Marion (see below) did not come close to our top 25 but were also on the ballot.  They got 14.6% and 13.4%, respectively, and appear to have no chance of being elected to the Hall.

 

                                                                        CWS               CV                NEWS

 

Cecil Travis                                          169                  167                  168

Marty Marion                                       177                  164                  167     

 

Can anyone give me a logical reason why Travis and Marion should be on the VC ballot and not Bill Dahlen – one of the top ten shortstops of the century?  Who is making up these ballots, anyway?

 

 

The Catchers with Hall of Fame Numbers

 

There are only six 20th century catchers who have HOF numbers according to the NEWS monitor.  That is the smallest number at any position.  Here are those six players.

  

                                                                                    CWS               CV                NEWS

 

1.         Yogi Berra                  (1946-1965)                375                  276                  301

2,         Johnny Bench (1967-1983)               356                  277                  297

3.         Mike Piazza                 (1992-       )                 320                  273                  285

4.         Gary Carter                (1974-1992)                337                  263                  282

 

8.         Mickey Cochrane      (1925-1937)                275                  250                  256

9.         Bill Dickey                 (1928-1946)                314                  235                  255

 

Yogi Berra edges out Johnny Bench as the best catcher of the 20th century.  And Mike Piazza and Gary Carter join them as the only catchers to have a NEWS score of 280 or better.  Mickey Cochran and Bill Dickey also have HOF numbers by virtue of having a score of 255 with less than 1800 games played.

 

Five of these six players are already in the Hall of Fame.  And Piazza should join them as soon as he is eligible since he is generally considered to be the best hitting catcher of all time.

 

The top four catchers all played the bulk of their careers during the second half of the century while the last two played prior to 1950.

 

 

The Other Catchers in the Top 25

 

Here are the other nineteen catchers who made it into the top 25 catchers of the 20th century.

 

 5.        Carlton Fisk                                       368                  240                  272

 6.        Joe Torre                                             315                  244                  262                 

 7.        Ted Simmons                                       315                  240                  259     

10.       Gabby Hartnett                                  325                  229                  253

11.       Ivan Rodriguez                                    296                  225                  243

12.       Bill Freehan                                          267                  224                  235

13.       Gene Tenace                                        231                  206                  212

14.       Lance Parrish                                       248                  194                  208

15.       Roy Campanella                                207                  207                  207     

16.       Thurman Munson                                  206                  204                  205     

17.       Roger Bresnahan                               231                  191                  201     

18.       Jorge Posada                                      197                  197                  197

19.       Jason Kendall                                     202                  193                  195

20.       Darrell Porter                                       222                  181                  191

21.       Wally Schang                                       245                  172                  190

22.       Elston Howard                         203                  174                  181

23.       Ernie Lombardi                                  218                  167                  180     

24.       Javy Lopez                                          194                  171                  177

25.       Jim Sundberg                                        200                  166                  175

 

There are two catchers in the Hall of Fame who did not make it into the list of the top 25 catchers.

 

            Ray Schalk                                         191                  167                  173

            Rick Ferrell                                        206                  150                  164

 

As you can see, there are seven catchers in the Hall who do not have HOF numbers according to the NEWS monitor.  Carlton Fisk came close to the 280 benchmark.  And there are many fans who would argue that Roy Campanella should definitely be in the Hall since he missed many years in his prime due to baseball’s color barrier.

 

There are four active players on this list.  But Ivan Rodriguez appears to be the only one who seems to have a chance to reach 280 NEWS with a few more really good seasons.   But it does appear to be a difficult task.

 

There were no catchers on the 2007 BBWAA ballot for the Hall.  And only one, Thurman Munson, on the 2007 Veteran’s Committee ballot.  Munson got only 6 votes (7.3%) and appears to have no chance of being elected.

 

 

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